Friday, February 21, 2014

Oh Buggers!

At question is whether a religious corporation should receive a pass (exemption) on speaking truth.


Media and LDS apologists at FAIRMormon have used catch phrases to describe the Mormon Fraud Case in the UK as an attack on religious belief.  In a blog, FAIR contributor and “US Civil Defense Lawyer”  aptly named Steve Densely Jr. opined that: "English law does not allow courts to adjudicate on issues of religious belief."

However, I believe the House of Lords (UK Supreme Court) would quite disagree with the media and FAIR that this a case about religious worship.  And they do adjudicate on these issues.  Have done so very nicely in fact.  There’s a strong precedent in a case brought to the House of Lords by the tax agent (Valuator) against the LDS Corporation.  The LDS Corporation argued unsuccessfully that its UK temple property should not be taxed.  See Judgments - Gallagher (Valuation Officer) V Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints for the actual decision, quoted below. (hat tip to Christopher Ralph for finding and providing this link.)


In the decision that was on appeal (dismissed in 2008), the primary counsel for the LDS Corporation (Sumption QC) attempted to define for the Lords that the LDS temple is a public place of worship.  The Lords went through each of the candidate definitions of various structures owned by the LDS Corporation to categorize and define  the temple.  They ruled it is not as a charity (“it would be unwise to regard charity law as a paradigm of rationality” para. 7, 9), not a training center (para. 19-20), not administrative offices (para. 10, 19), not intended to support maintenance of the grounds and buildings (para. 21), not a hotel of “accommodations” to patrons (para. 21), and not a workshop, a daycare facility or cafeteria (para. 1).

So how did the Lords decide to define the temple?

Paragraph 5 is key:

“…the Temple is not a place of “public religious worship” because it is not open to the public. It is not even open to all Mormons. The right of entry is reserved to members who have acquired a “recommend” from the bishop after demonstrating belief in Mormon doctrine, an appropriate way of life and payment of the required contribution to church funds. Such members are called Patrons and the rituals which take place in the Temple are exclusive to them. These facts are agreed.” (emphasis added)

These facts are agreed:  not a place of public religious worship. Exclusive “patrons” -- not every Mormon (and certainly not the general public) -- must adhere to strict criteria to enter the temple, including demonstrating belief in Mormon doctrine and paying the required contribution.

The language in this House of Lords decision is a precedent.  The LDS Corp lost its appeal to define the temple as a place of public religious worship.  The Lords define it as a place of ritual exclusive to paying patrons. 

Lord Hope of Craighead tells the LDS counsel: “Temple is not entitled to exemption (para. 36) and that “I cannot accept Mr Sumption’s primary argument that the Temple is a place of public religious worship.” And this based on an earlier precedent (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints v Henning (VO) [1964] AC 420) in which “Parliament has been content that the words “a place of public religious worship” should continue to receive the interpretation that the House gave to them in Henning.”  (para. 26)

Oh snap!

Sorry LDS Corp, your temple is not entirely exempt.  All the Lords agreed to dismiss, most of them using similar language.  It's not a charity either.  And worse, the House of Lords has ruled that payment AND demonstration of belief in certain beliefs are the basis for exclusive entry into this non-exempt, non-religious, ritual performing, patron house.    Not just the basis, but “required” was the word.

Once again, as I wrote in "Obey, Pay and don't look at Internet-Hearsay" and as Lord Hoffman elucidates a "recommend" giving "right of entry" makes the temple worthiness interview is a key part of how this fraud case comes together.  Exclusivity is dependent on accepting beliefs that Phillips argues have been falsely represented and payment is secured before you can go in.  The word “required” is used in Lord Hoffman’s decisive precedent.  Tithing is “required”.  

Mormons have argued that it is not a requirement to believe and tithing is not forced.  But the House of Lords seemed to disagree with the Mormons.

Oh double snap!

Oh buggers!

Sorry, FAIR.  Sorry, Monson. 


Bloody Brilliant, my Lords.  Praise the House of Lords!




Kay Burningham, an American lawyer, and author of "An American Fraud: One Lawyer's Case against Mormonism"  told me: 

"The UK has no real equivalent to the US First Amendment with regard to religious freedom. The freedom of religion clause has historically been used as a defense by religious organizations whenever fraud charges (whether criminal or civil) have been filed against them in the US. Not a barrier in the UK, though. Some have even characterized the UK as 'hostile' to religions. More accurate to say it does not give organized religions preferential status over other, secular, non-profits."


Also noteworthy is paragraph 13 of the House of Lords decision:

"In order to constitute discrimination on grounds of religion, however, the alleged discrimination must fall “within the ambit” of a right protected by article 9, in this case, the right to manifest one’s religion. In the present case, the liability of the Temple to a non-domestic rate (reduced by 80% on account of the charitable nature of its use) would not prevent the Mormons from manifesting their religion. But I would not regard that as conclusive. If the legislation imposed rates only upon Mormons, I would regard that as being within the ambit of article 9 even if the Mormons could easily afford to pay them. But the present case is not one in which the Mormons are taxed on account of their religion. It is only that their religion prevents them from providing the public benefit necessary to secure a tax advantage. That seems to me an altogether different matter."
Pay attention to the words "alleged discrimination" and the Lord's opinion that taxing (and thereby exercising government control over) the Mormons for their teachings and practices in the temple is not discrimination because they still have the right to manifest their beliefs.  

Even if the fraud case prevails in showing they use false representations, that will still allow them to preach their sermons from the Book of Mormon.  They can believe it.  They might not be able to tie a testimony in provably false information to requiring tithing and the temple, however.  That is reserved for Patrons of exclusive right, and as such, seems to fall into government scrutiny by this case.

It makes sense.  If you get involved in a diet plan, in an investment or any other system that claims to bring you some benefit through membership and strict adherence to its system, you expect that the information used to build that system is as truthful as can be.  If the company taking your money provides you with false representations and lures you into their diet or investment system with false information, it needs to be exposed and shut down.

Why should a religious corporation receive an exemption from speaking truth?  The House of Lords didn't see a case for tax exemption in the case referenced.  They won't see a truth exemption either.


16 comments:

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    1. EXCOMMUNICATED AFTER TRUSTING IN A LIE

      There is ample proof of the Mormon Church's duplicity. Article 12 of the Church's Articles of Faith states, quote: "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.". Two comments; First, why would Monson not attend a court if ordered to by a magistrate? Second, why was I excommunicated for establishing a celibate same sex Civil Partnership as is perfectly lawful in the UK? I established that relationship at the same time as I protested the Church's actions over Proposition 8 when time and money was sought and used for political ends. At a time when young gay people were committing suicide in despair, the Church put most effort into denying them the support of partners. The Church Articles of Faith misled me for 17 years during most of which I paid a tithe. When joining the “ trance American Church” I was reassured by those same Articles of Faith.The note of my excommunication released to me after a Freedom of Information Act request stated that I should sever my Civil Partnership and enter a period of repentance. Abiding by law? No, abiding by the personal tastes and prejudices of a few people who have set themselves up as Prophets, Seers and Revelators. They include past "Prophets" revealed as serial womanisers and child abusers. So, Tom Phillips, if you want any supporting evidence or a witness, I am offering it now. I WAS conned, gulled and bamboozled and author Jim Whitefields series “The Mormon Delusion” should be given in evidence too!

      I wrote a poetry collection based on my experience which appears on my web site at www.poetrynorfolk.com

      I also might be called a “disaffected ex-Mormon” whatever that is… Maybe us tithing dupes should mount a “Class Action” for recovery of funds.

      Vernon Moyse
      www.poetrynorfolk.net

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  2. I can't believe I never connected the word patron with its proper definition. Duped, duped, duped. But, I love it that it comes in so handy now!! :)

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  3. The problem with this is that you'd have to prove that they actually require payment, (tithe) or require proof that people follow the word of wisdom. You'd have to require proof that people follow the Law of Chastity. In other words, when people are asked these questions in order to enter the Temple, the interviewer doesn't ask for your tithe right then and there, or they don't require a fat person to leave the interview, (Because if you are truly following the WofW you wouldn’t be fat.) The church doesn’t hire investigators to see to it that the person is following the laws of chastity. So, while they ask the questions, that doesn't mean or prove that these set of beliefs are being followed by the letter. This is true of every religion, you can't shut down religions because people choose to follow the beliefs. People know going in that these are NOT businesses.

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    1. Hi Brother Anonymous. The Bishop will see you Tuesday at 8pm for tithing SETTLEMENT. Bring your cheque book

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  4. So, anonymous, you're saying that members have the option to lie so that constitutes a non-requirement? Well, as much as you may have made a technical point, I certainly don't think that's going to help you much. The reality is that paying tithing is a requirement for entering the temple. In fact, in all my years of membership, I never bothered to really think about why the church disallows/discourages civil weddings AND temple sealings. But I do think about it now, and guess the obvious answer....because if you want to see your child or anyone else get married you have to have a temple recommend. And to get a temple recommend you must pay the temple entry fee!! Who cares if non-LDS and other non-payers are unable to attend the wedding??? Either get out your checkbook or miss the biggest event of your child/friend/other relatives life!

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  5. After the fraud case the mormon temples in the UK will have to make a small change to the temple. It will be changed to, "Holiness to the Lords, The House of the Lords."

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  6. LOLOL "Anonymous!!"

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  7. Fatfinger,

    The Temple is full of, "liars," or people that deep down feel they are worthy to enter the Temple. I perfer to think of them as believing they are worthy to enter the Temple. Because lets be real, NO ONE can say they are following the those items that are questioned in a Temple interview.

    People can choose to do what they want to do, that is all part of agency. So, couples can choose to get married outside of the Temple then get sealed later on. That is their choice, that is the lesson that the Lord no doubt is trying to teach all of us. Jesus didn't just go along he didn't do the status quo, he was trying teach people to think for themselves, and to learn consequences from their actions. To be able to see their own future from their actions. The leaders are there to guide, however we have it within ourselves to figure out where our actions lead.

    David Tweadel, I'm trying not to be a smart a**, but then you get someone like the, "LOLLOL Anonymous!" poster that realy needs a slap down!

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    1. Anonymous,

      Don't worry, Anonymous who wrote "LOLOL 'Anonymous!!" was referring to my Anonymous post about the "Holiness to the Lords, The House of the Lords" change to the temple inscription, which compliment I do appreciate. Anonymous wasn't referring to your Anonymous reply to Fatfinger, which I also appreciate. Let all of us Anonymouses point the anonymous finger of blame to where it really belongs; Fatfinger!

      Sincerely,
      Anonymous

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  8. Check your facts, David. The House of Lords has long since ceased to be the UK's supreme court.

    http://supremecourt.uk/

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    1. In 2008, they were the house of lords. David is technically correct because he's discussing a case from then.

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    2. That doesn't mean that precedent from the many long centuries when the House of Lords *was* the UK's supreme court gets tossed out. If that happened, the legal system would be thrown into chaos.

      Even then, appellate cases were handled by a Judiciary Committee within Lords, which was composed of professional judges appointed to the House specifically to carry out this function. This is still more or less the case, only the Committee is now a separately constituted court and no longer technically part of the Lords.

      And since when is 2009 "long"?

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  9. “…the Temple is not a place of “public religious worship” because it is not open to the public."

    Yes, thank you, finally! So good to see this. So good to see a consideration of the particular, telling, and unique details. So good to see that in England, at least, they are showing signs that they will not be bamboozled, they will not give carte blanche to everyone and anyone hiding behind the cloak of "religious freedom".

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  10. Even if you're in England, since you haven't posted in 3 weeks, could you still submit a blog? We need more disclosures, it strengthens the soul.

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  11. David T,
    Because in years to come, this website will be used as an archival reference, I'm pointing out a Typo:
    Pay attention to the words "alleged discrimination" and the Lord's opinion that taxing

    The word "Lord's" is using the possessive wrongly. It should be "Lords' " and even better would be "House of Lords' " since (especially with the subject matter context of this website) "Lord's" can easily be assumed to equal "God's" to someone browsing quickly.

    Thank you, David, for your effort making this blog, and please feel free to make the change (or not) and delete this comment, as this comment is a distraction that subtracts from the conversation.

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