Monday, December 16, 2013

♪ Follow The Public ♬ ♪ Follow The Public ♬



Recently, the LDS Church released this statement in its "Race And Priesthood" topic article:

 “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was restored amidst a highly contentious racial culture in which whites were afforded great privilege. ... The justifications for this restriction echoed the widespread ideas about racial inferiority that had been used to argue for the legalization of black “servitude” in the Territory of Utah.

In other words, they were just following the crowd.  Wait, I thought the point of having a prophet was to lead the people!

Mormon Apostle Elder James Talmage wrote in his “Great Apostasy” about the Great (western) Schism of the early 15th century, in which three men simultaneously claimed to be the true Pope. Their claims were political, not theological, and each disavowed the others, until some were forced to resign or be excommunicated.

We now seem to witness the beginning of a Mormon Schism, which resulted from an apostasy of doctrine against racism, as God is no respecter of persons.  From Brigham Young through ten prophet administrations until the 12th prophet, Spencer Kimball, the current prophet disavows each as leading a whole race to damnation.  They also disavow their own scripture, telling us that God never cursed anyone with dark skin.  However, they waited to tell us this decades (if not more than a century) after the public already knew it.  The Mormon Church is woefully behind the times.

The Catholic Church has had its list of “behinds” and has now apologized for slavery of Mesoamerica and Africa, injustices against women, for preaching geocentric doctrines, for inactivity during the Holocaust and many more.  The Mormons haven’t apologized for anything yet.  In any event, it shows that mainstream religions tend to walk paces behind public secularism.  Most of us expect the Catholics to announce their acceptance of gay partnerships and perhaps even gay marriage.  The Mormons will eventually cave on this.

The bible and Mormon scripture have outdated ideologies with morals that even children can see are distasteful, if not repugnant.  Leaders of churches have in past time given fiery rhetoric against various classes and people in ways we find disgraceful today.  They have hidden physical, emotional and sexual abuse enacted by their leaders or hidden by their priests and bishops, only to admit them when the voluminous public voice decries them.

Given the public leads the “Church” (used generally), it seems I should like to encourage my fellow secularists to avoid reading their scriptures and singing their hymns from this time forward.  Don’t go to their meetings and don’t interact with their believing members.  Avoid praying, fasting or otherwise listening to them.  They will lead you astray.  Trust the secular public. 

Follow The Public   Follow The Public   It knows the way… ♪

Ok, I know, that’s absurd.  We secularists don’t go around telling you to avoid studying the religions, avoiding their members and meetings or not to pray.  We tell you, go ahead, do all those things, decide for yourself.  We’re cocksure that if you keep an open mind when you experiment with religion, your head will clear and you’ll decide to follow the (secular) public.

And no, I'm not declaring secularism infallible or always right. But like science, it works out the correct path by self-correction and way ahead of educts from religious prophets who are supposedly infallible mouthpieces of God.  As I've written before, the reason science and secularism works so much better is because science has labs, the Church has only belief systems. 

The schism at play right now is very interesting.  Most Mormons don’t even know it exists, but you can be sure the leaders do. They’re disavowing and, if it were possible, would posthumously excommunicate Brother Brigham.  By the end of the Great Mormon Schism, you can bet current leaders will be characters of controversy for their policies against gays, for mall profits, for ignoring the poor and generally changing a lot of money.  Members will look back and the public will retroactively cleanse the temple.




Like spring deer, members are unknowing abandoned to the hunters next fall

21 comments:

  1. Come on, David! The Catholic popes of the past were truly evil, murderous, scheming pigs. LDS prophets are not perfect, but they're not evil.

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    1. Have you read much on Brigham Young?

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    2. Actually Paul, interesting choice of words. They're what Brigham "man of the Year" called Emma Smith in his famous General Conference smackdown

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  2. David T.

    Out with it already, this isn't about downing the church so much as outing yourself as a gay man.

    Separate from the church and have your male on male relationships. Leave the church alone and be free to sin in the most obvious way. This is truly hilarioius, all of this just to justify being gay! You can down this church and any church that believes that gay relationships are wrong. And some churches may even cave to the demands of sins. However, the Lord will never, EVER approve of gay relationships and this is really all that counts!

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    1. That's what Mormons the world over used to say about blacks getting married th whites, blacks getting the priesthood, ending polygamy etc... Funny how often the unchanging Mormon deity changes his core doctrines.

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    2. Dear Anonymous,

      Classy from start to finish. Don't you go changing now, you hear?

      David, I think you are correct and a schism is underway. Fascinating to watch.

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    3. To a Mormon (moron), this probably seems like a really good way to bash David T. You just bashed yourself, though, as homophobic irrationally inane. You didn't make an argument, you dug your own hole.

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    4. Let’s get it right, to a Christian this sounds about right, to a true Christian that believes in what the Bible teaches. It isn't bashing, it is the truth apparently the truthful statement that must hurt, you at least.

      Why is it when someone believes that gay relationships are wrong is it assumed that person is a homophobic? I'm not afraid of homosexuals, or anyone that has other twisted sexual preferences. I feel sorry that people that believe it is normal to be attracted to the same sex are being misled to believe it is normal or okay. I feel bad that people believe that there will be no negative consequences because there will be negative consequence’s. Human nature will eventually catch up and the negative effects will be all too obvious.

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    5. Whatever my sexual orientation, and it's irrelevant, the point still stands. The LDS church is guided by popular stance, only several decades behind the culture. It's becoming less and less relevant.

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    6. No church should be dictated to by popular culture.

      In the last three post you have been introducing gay relationships. You want the church to be wrong, because if it isn't your sexual preference is wrong.

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    7. You are using a logical fallacy to avoid the true argument. Your logical fallacy is ad hominem. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

      David's sexual orientation, whatever it may be, is not on trial. And you using it as an argument against his writings is clear, yet unfortunate.

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  3. Catholic popes were scheming murderous pigs but brother Brigham wasn't ?? Tell that to all the victims of the mountain meadow massacre and the victims of his culture of polygamous wives. Those were all pretty evil in my opinion. I would love to watch all religions crumble under their lies and bs. People should evolve to follow the dictates of their own conscious and not a so called "profit"

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    1. Sure, let people become mass murderers because they believe it to be okay. Let people rape, molest children and animals. Make a TON of sense doesn't it?

      There are people out there that really believe it is okay to have sex with a child, that children enjoy it. There are people out there that love to have sex with and/or enjoy torturing animals and/or children. That is what they own conscious tells them to do. Are you one of them?

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    2. ” There are people out there that really believe it is okay to have sex with a child, that children enjoy it.”

      Take a look at Joseph Smith's teen brides. At Wilford Woodruff, Lorenzo Snow and other prophet's who took children brides. And you argue society is warped?

      I felt dirty just having to respond to you.

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    3. David T.

      I believe this is all about your being gay. And I believe you will not admit to this because you are well aware that anyone that is halfway taking you seriously will totally discount your opinion because it is tainted, and your opinion is tainted.

      Even IF these men were guilty of having sex with children, one sexually deviant behavior does not excuse another.

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  4. So without a man who claims to speak to god, humanity turns into deviants with no conscious? I'm sorry but when you choose to follow the goodness in your heart, people are led to doing good things. There are amazing things happening everywhere. I choose to look at the good. I believe humanity is evolving however slowly into an amazing charitable species. Those who violate suppress judge or stay stuck will die out. Hopefully.
    All this can be accomplished without the men who claim to be something they are not.

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    1. Humanity IS turning into deviants...with the gays wanting to be legally married. What is the next step....thanks to people like David T., the fundamentalist Mormon's are now wanting to reinstate polygamy. They are using the excuse of gay marriage as a reason for people to be able to be married to multiple partners.

      Soon there will be people that will want marry their animals and they will demand that their animals be able to have the medical benefits that would have been allowed with a human spouse. Does that sound crazy? Yes, it does....but so did marrying the same sex sound crazy at one time.

      It is like the frog in the pot of water.....

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  5. Look, this is just another church. I know it controls - seemingly everything in SLC - however it is only another church outside "zion." So, lets chill and enjoy the squirming, white shirt and tie guy for awhile.

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  6. Wow. I cannot believe you just compared gay marriage to sex with animals. You may want to become a bit more educated. Even your beloved prophet is changing his tone about homosexuality. Will you possibly live to see the day two men are married in the temple ? I sure hope I am.

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  7. David, you have attracted one of the craziest stalkers ever. Anonymous homophobe, only in the Mormon craziverse would calling someone gay be an insult. It is truly pathetic the way you keep bleating on about it. What is actually really sad is that it probably indicates some serious problems with our anonymous friend's acceptance of his or her sexuality. Another aspect of the evil influence of this corporation masquerading as a church.

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  8. I'm new to your blog, David, but I've enjoyed reading your latest posts. (I have a lot more to back-read.)

    I worry about the soft pedaling tone in the essays put out by LDS.org. I left the church a couple of years ago, but only recently "outed" myself in that regard to extended family and friends. Since these essays have come out, I've had a few shocked and appalled relatives point out the essays with a "See, it's not as bad as you thought. Maybe there were a few underhanded goings-on, but not by the prophets, not really." The soft-pedaling of the incidents just allows the rank and file members to tighten their self-satisfied belts, pat themselves on the back for being part of an "honest" organization without ever really looking into the enormity of the evils perpetrated. I will be watching this whole thing unfold with interest, but have little hope that it will change anything. One has only to look at some of the "anonymous" comments here to see that people don't like being shaken out of their comfort and made to face the dissonance. Keep at it, though.
    (P.S. What is with the many people who use the moniker "anonymous?" People, chose a name! And what is with that one "anonymous" and his rabid boner obsession regarding your sexuality? Freaky!)

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