tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post8243979090552750033..comments2023-07-20T05:18:17.630-07:00Comments on Mormon Disclosures: Media Blitzed Monson Summoned to Court on FraudDavid Thttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09357179418131851128noreply@blogger.comBlogger119125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-67556717547917170572015-02-04T21:50:08.294-08:002015-02-04T21:50:08.294-08:00This is not the first cover up by the Mormon Churc...This is not the first cover up by the Mormon Church. The mountain meadow massacre in 1857 was by Mormon militia. The Mormon church first said it was Indians. They keep retelling the story so that now it is Indians and some whites living in the area. Problem is a mormon church bishop admitted that a local mormon militia was involved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-68516136342225860312015-02-04T13:56:37.297-08:002015-02-04T13:56:37.297-08:00joe smith and tommy monson,,both profits god of ...joe smith and tommy monson,,both profits god of fraud,liers robbers thieves..a good mormon is 6 feet under the ground in a boxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-23417603397818061252014-12-29T23:03:09.768-08:002014-12-29T23:03:09.768-08:00Thanks for this post. I can't believe that stu...Thanks for this post. I can't believe that stuff happens. Keep up the good work on this blog.Andrea Raguehttp://www.bgmillerlaw.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-76730549031373007442014-11-03T11:25:24.541-08:002014-11-03T11:25:24.541-08:00Sue all the other religions if you want to sue for...Sue all the other religions if you want to sue for fraud. Face it, this is just discriminatory. It sickens me the things people say about Mormons. That is, it sickens me when I'm not laughing my head off about how stupid some people are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-25854207822356706662014-06-03T00:32:27.435-07:002014-06-03T00:32:27.435-07:00Why not label this as it is. You have just attacke...Why not label this as it is. You have just attacked Christianity as a whole. Faith is just the beginning. Faith is every bit as provable as science yet it takes actually having faith to get to the proof. Something those who have no faith will never able to obtain because they do not follow the scientific steps to obtain it.<br><br>Courts? Really? Courts are run by Men which you have already labeled as liars. Which means you can't take anything proven in a court run by Men to be true. You can't even take Science to be true since they change their minds every year. Something true this year is "proven", yet next year another Man will prove it to have been false and so the circle continues.<br><br>All things mentioned as "proofs" against what we believe on Faith were proven by Man which taking your definition are Liars and thus should be held to the standard of a lie since their proof will change next year as it always does.<br><br>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-60625200805922814892014-03-18T07:06:33.356-07:002014-03-18T07:06:33.356-07:00I am so glad to see the false church being sued fo...I am so glad to see the false church being sued for fraud..it is the biggest fraud ever pulled on man..all this may help the stupid Mormon sheeple bin Utah and the world open there eyes and take the sack off there head and see the true..i hope the brits take every thing the church owns over there..oh yes you ladys that want the priesthood open your eyes the priest hood is nothing but more phony lds bull shit hang all 15 crooks in chargeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-15156999192992454072014-02-21T18:45:52.604-08:002014-02-21T18:45:52.604-08:00I venture to suggest Lawrence Seow is somewhat con...I venture to suggest Lawrence Seow is somewhat confused when he makes a big issue in my paper.sg about the lack of homosexual family legacies. The first point to make is that same sex marriages are very recent and obstacles are still being put in the way of gay partners adopting children (e.g. Catholic adoption agencies). So how could there be a substantial legacy? In Singapore and Australia, for example, gay marriage is still not yet lawful. Lawrence goes on to say that “homosexuals have been around for centuries” and this hints at a logical anomaly: genetic evidence for homosexual orientation is suggested by latest studies and the fact that homosexuals keep appearing on the scene is an anomaly currently preoccupying Darwinists. Homosexuality is also quite common in the animal kingdom and it is not as if animals make lifestyle choices that lead them into difficulty and rejection. So genetics is likely to be a factor. Finally, on the family issue, I would point out that most, i.e. 90%, of child abuse occurs WITHIN families and not as a result of action by “strangers”. Perhaps a caring same sex partnership could offer love and care to many of the children languishing in awful institutions around the world. Since such partnerships could not arrange that their children be homosexual, a preposterous thought, it is difficult to see how you could ever have a family tree of homosexuals. As to homosexual relationships not lasting for a lifetime, that is patent rubbish. My own relationship with another man is in its 43rd year and since we are 70 years and 76 years of age, I can’t see us turning to A.N.Other before fleeing this mortal coil. I know of several other relationships that endured to the end, with partners caring lovingly for people with dementia, disabling stroke and terminal cancer. I also know that the percentage of heterosexual marriages that break down is very high indeed, certainly in the UK. The cosy picture of grans and granddads being respected is not what Lawrence's letter suggests. In the UK grandparents are often having to pick up the pieces of failed heterosexual marriages by taking on the next generation of children. Lawrence’s comments are, in my view, disrespectful to gay people, past and present, that I count or counted as friends. Please publish these comments as a matter of balance. We all have a right to our views but we need to be careful about the impact they have on those we talk about.Vernon Moysehttp://www.poetrynorfolk.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-87600345653302887512014-02-13T11:17:03.719-08:002014-02-13T11:17:03.719-08:00Where do you get the idea that mormonism thinks it...Where do you get the idea that mormonism thinks it is always right and cannot change its views? Brigham Young taught that all truth is part of our religion. He counseled bishops to give the pulpit to anyone who wanted to preach, with the idea that if he taught false doctrine the bishop could set it straight either that day or in the future. We do believe that we have the "fulness of the gospel," and some of us are diligently trying to figure out what that means. Ours is a religion that follows the scientific method with regard to spirituality. We believe that you cannot rely on borrowed light, that you cannot blindly follow the prophet, that each individual must seek and receive his own enlightenment. If you read the book of mormon, start with Moroni 10:4. There you are invited to make an experiment into spirituality. Read the book. Ponder its message. Then ask God if it is right. You are promised that if you do it with "real intent" meaning you are not bent on proving it wrong at all costs, but instead you only want the truth, God will manifest the truth of it unto you by the power of the Holy Ghost. I have done the experiment and I tell you it is true. I have received the promised manifestation. Like all good science, it means nothing unless you can duplicate it yourself. So put in all the right ingredients. Read the book of mormon with a pondering mind trying to understand it. Pray and ask God if it is true. If you do, he will manifest to you that it is true. Then, like me you will study DNA, and polygamy, and Abraham's presence in and teachings to the ancient Egyptians, and the myriad of other things that the enemy of righteousness uses to distract us from becoming righteous, as a hobby since you now know God. I wish you well on your quest.Blakehttp://helpthoumyunbelief.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-5054747424912146382014-02-09T05:28:21.504-08:002014-02-09T05:28:21.504-08:00I just wonder if President Monson has inquired of ...I just wonder if President Monson has inquired of the Lord on how to deal with the dilemma's at hand. What I see looks more like man trying to save Joseph and his God than Jesus saving man. I think the answer from Jesus does not require a seer stone. It's already in Scripture and its called Repentance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-6022788391146638782014-02-08T23:45:33.037-08:002014-02-08T23:45:33.037-08:00Your problem is that these are not false charges. ...Your problem is that these are not false charges. When "faith" intrudes on the real world, the real world is going to decide how true it is by how closely what it says conforms to reality. If Mormonism held itself to metaphysical articles of faith there would be no issue, but it makes a large number of assertions about real, verifiable historical events.<br><br>How ever do you think you can convert someone with manifest untruths? And how ever do you expect anyone to hold to Mormonism when they discover those untruths?<br><br>It's not a matter of faith that Native Americans are descended from Hebrews; that's something we can actually check. They're not. It's not a matter of faith that the texts of the Book of Abraham say this or that: we can real Egyptian now, and they don't say what JS claimed. The events surrounding the death of Joseph Smith aren't a matter of faith, but of the record of the times, and it wasn't how Mormonism likes to paint it.<br><br>Two contradictory things cannot both be true, and the rather attenuated Mormon version of God is nowhere near omnipotent enough to make it otherwise even if he existed.Chris C.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-87743406952388955442014-02-08T23:39:28.301-08:002014-02-08T23:39:28.301-08:00I hope you burn in hell! [...] In the name [o]f Je...<i>I hope you burn in hell! [...] In the name [o]f Jesus Christ Amen.</i><br><br>That says it all about people like you, really.Chris C.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-4235947695206145152014-02-08T16:26:46.419-08:002014-02-08T16:26:46.419-08:00Get a grip! You're going to need it cuz it'...Get a grip! You're going to need it cuz it's gonna be a bumpy ride. This case is legit. The publicity is bad for the Mos and it's only gonna get worse.Emmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10432642020562558818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-75496298946462401612014-02-08T04:08:34.604-08:002014-02-08T04:08:34.604-08:00I hope you burn in hell! You are messing around wi...I hope you burn in hell! You are messing around with gods prophet,and you WILL see gods hands brush over your life. In the name if Jesus Christ Amen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-71693922155901415822014-02-07T19:48:45.557-08:002014-02-07T19:48:45.557-08:00To me this blog looks like an endless cycle of mor...To me this blog looks like an endless cycle of mormons vs antimormons.To use scientific evidence to try and prove someones beliefs being false is absurd! <br>Proverbs 3: 5<br>"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding."<br>We,the mormons,are taught to invite all to "come unto Christ" (Moroni 10:32).To invite all to read the Book of Mormon and then to pray with a sincere heart and with real intent to know if it is true(Doctrine and Covenants 9:8)and that if we do this then the Lord will make it known unto us by the power of the Holy Ghost(Moroni 10:5).This is accomplished by following gospel principles,namely in Article of Faith no. 4 found in the Pear of Great Price,<br>"We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ…”<br>I will touch on the first principle only because I dont want this to seem like youre reading a novel.<br>Faith - Faith is believing without seeing.Article of Faith no. 1 says,"We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost."I will relate this to something ALL of us will understand.Wind.We can feel wind,see the effects it has on things around us and feel it against our skin, but can we SEE it? No,but we can all testify that wind exists with no doubt.This is similar to our beliefs,I have not personally seen God or Jesus Christ,but I feel of his love and I have felt the power of the Spirit/Holy Ghost when I exercise faith.Remember faith is believing without seeing.You might be thinking,if there is a divine being such as the spirit then how does one feel of its power?how can I know it exists?<br>You cant find what youre not looking for<br>The only way to know of our church and our beliefs is to faithfully attend our meetings ask our missionaries and church leaders and pray and study the Book of Mormon,NOT by reading antimormon literature or relying on science.Referring back to Proverbs 3:5 "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding."<br>Faith is what every religious person has and it is something that no one else can take away.Faith is either strengthened and developed or weakened and lost but only by the individual that holds it.No one can take away my faith,no matter what scientific evidence claims to prove.I trust in the Lord with all my heart.The lord is a perfect,he cant make mistakes.Scientific evidence is found with common-man and we as commoners are not perfect therefor we must "lean not unto thine own understanding."<br>I testify that God lives and loves each of us,and because he loves us he sent son,Jesus Christ to Atone for the sins of the world,that we might one day return to live with Him and all out loved-ones and receive eternal happiness.I know that Thomas S. Monson is a living prophet receives modern revelation for us today.I know that Joseph Smith was indeed the prophet of the restoration and that he did translate the Book of Mormon.I know the Book of Mormon to be the word of God and I challenge all who read this to honestly and sincerely read the Book of Mormon and pray about it for themselves and I promise that if you do,you wont be able to deny its truthfulness and your life and the lives of those whom you share this message with will be blessed.<br>No matter what happens next with Thomas S. Monson,our(the mormons)faith will not be broken.Several prophets have been accused of false charges before and probably will do in the future.<br>I feel sorry for those that are accusing President Monson of this,clearly something has made them spiritually weak and probably sad/angry/depressed. If only they didnt lose their faith.But as we youngsters say,haters gonna hateAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-16540165049608542472014-02-07T16:08:27.711-08:002014-02-07T16:08:27.711-08:00No non-profit can solicit donations with fraudulen...No non-profit can solicit donations with fraudulent statements. In the case of Mormonism in the person of Monson, we DO have access to the physical truths about which the fraudulent statements are made. Of course it's impossible to see into someone's consciousness to determine for sure what he does or does not know, which is why the law instead seeks to discover what a reasonable person SHOULD know.<br><br>- It can be shown beyond any doubt that the BoA is not what Mormonism claims it is.<br>- It can be shown by a clear preponderance of the evidence that the BoM was not translated as Mormonisms claims it was.<br>- It can be shown with certainty that ancient Native American populations had no Semitic ancestry, by the same technology used to identify people who have committed crimes and left DNA evidence.<br>- The true cause for the lynching of Joseph and Hyrum Smith is a matter of contemporary historical record.<br>- The Navuoo Expositor can be shown to have been printing the truth about Joseph Smith.<br>- No rational person will agree there was no death on this planet before about 6,000 years ago.<br>- The demonstrable ancestry of the human race is much older than 6,000 years.<br><br>If simply preaching nonsense were as far as it went, there would be nothing to prosecute. Lots of preachers preach nonsense. However, many of these claims (particularly those about translation) are part of an extremely efficient program by which money is extracted from those who have been induced to believe these false claims -- well. That puts a different color on things.<br><br>It is simply wrong to put prayer and faith on the same epistemological level as science. Science is repeatable and verifiable; prayer and faith is personal and subjective. Everyone can see the results of science for themselves, but for revelation we can only trust the revelator. You performed a scientific experiment and got one result; I performed the same and got a different result: one of us is wrong, and we can determine which by examining the methods and by attempting further reduplication. Over time the question will be settled. You prayed and received one testimony; I prayed and received a different, contradictory testimony. Which of us is right? Both? Neither? Over time the question will NEVER be settled, and the faith will fragment into numerous contradictory sects, as nearly all of them in fact have. The two spheres are not comparable.Chris C.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-4143540387194933462014-02-07T12:42:19.584-08:002014-02-07T12:42:19.584-08:00wow. So the BOM ended when? and it can't be po...wow. So the BOM ended when? and it can't be possible that there was more blood mixed in? There are lots of stories in the BOM that tells of new groups of people being found, and other groups of people leaving by boat, etc. NO where in any church doctrine I've seen or been told has said that the 1st nations people are exclusively BOM people. But that BOM people are now first nations people, among other things. Like so many things, the BOM was written from the viewpoint of a few people populating the Americas, and they wrote about their own experiences. Did they know if there were other people with other DNA living on the continent? It's a big place, and I assume not. So the comments above that state Mormon doctrine states that all first nations people are lamanites and that we are 'running away from the truth' is, while hilarious, just not true. Why not find an official statement from the church that says what you claim above, and site them if you're going to use them. hearsay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-54404490271280601432014-02-07T09:22:42.051-08:002014-02-07T09:22:42.051-08:00Is this a serious comment? Freedom of choice does ...Is this a serious comment? Freedom of choice does not mean you get to go wherever you want and do whatever you want.<br><br>You comment is like saying that I've taken away your choice because I didn't let you in my house to use my bathroom. It's absurd.<br><br>Your sister has free choice too, and chose to get married somewhere you couldn't go.<br><br>This who comment section is ridiculous on both sides of the fence. The church is free to try and convince people to join, and non-members are free to try and convince people to leave. This is the beauty of having the freedom to choose.<br><br>Church members: Whining because these guys don't like your church is pointless. Believe it or don't, but you have no right to get mad because other people don't.<br><br>anti-church commenters: Do you really not see how attacking the beliefs at the very core of how a person chooses to live their life would offend them and provoke an emotional response? You want to tell them why their beliefs are wrong? Maybe a little patience is in order, because you are reinforcing their beliefs when you start the conversation off by insulting their entire life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-25427482240134736162014-02-07T05:36:35.137-08:002014-02-07T05:36:35.137-08:00"Nahum in 1 Nephi ... and coincidentally an a..."Nahum in 1 Nephi ... and coincidentally an ancient place by the same name located along a likely travel route of Lehi and his family. "<br><br>That's been thoroughly debunked. Even FAIR (mormon apologists) don't buy the NHM rock argument as evidence. FAIR says: "Yes. It is a match, but it is not a unique match, since other words with vowels removed can match NHM." and "LDS scholars do not claim that the only existing pronunciation of NHM is "Nahom."<br><br>Furthermore, maps have been found that existed at the time of Joseph Smith listing the "Nahom" on the arabian peninsula. Do your own research. It's all there. <br><br>http://www.mormonthink.com/book-of-mormon-problems.htm#nhm<br>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-51796428829338513472014-02-07T01:32:33.429-08:002014-02-07T01:32:33.429-08:00There is archaeological evidence .... Nahum in 1 N...There is archaeological evidence .... Nahum in 1 Nephi ... and coincidentally an ancient place by the same name located along a likely travel route of Lehi and his family. There's more I'm sure but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-69965064191838615692014-02-07T01:06:13.585-08:002014-02-07T01:06:13.585-08:00The new edition of the Book of Mormon changed the ...The new edition of the Book of Mormon changed the wording in the preface ... it used to say that the Lamanites were the primary ancestors of Native Americans and now it simply says "they are among the ancestors of the American Indians." I think that is literally impossible to disprove.<br>Also "sustaining" does not mean leaders are infallible ... that's why they need to be sustained :p The Church has its problems like any other institution because imperfect people are in charge of it.<br>One more thought ... if a mission president were to be paid by a normal corporation (or other church, for that matter) for his extremely strenuous service, it would be a lot of money. They can make much more money elsewhere. Plus, frankly, the money they receive is little compared to a lifetime of tithing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-59115165042257380622014-02-06T22:20:39.313-08:002014-02-06T22:20:39.313-08:00Thank you to Mormon Think for exposing one of the ...Thank you to Mormon Think for exposing one of the greatest frauds ever, that of Joseph Smith on the gullible public. The courts will air out the lies, and the fiction will be exposed for the lies and plagiarisms contained within BOM. IT IS ABOUT TIME. Stand up to the bullies that are getting rich supporting the corporation. This is not a religion, it is a racket. Dealing with the mind controlled, brainwashed, indoctrinated zealots will not be easy, but a necessary evil. All religion is bunk. Expose the crooks! You GO BOY. WE SUPPORT YOU.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-85785276043916826862014-02-06T22:02:38.861-08:002014-02-06T22:02:38.861-08:00What a sick bully. Mormons make good bullies when...What a sick bully. Mormons make good bullies when you don't believe in their dogma. Korihor was a fictional character in the fictional BOM. Your prophets aren't really talking with GOD fool. faith is for people that can not reason rationally. What you know to be true can be proven false in court. Is that so frightening? NO SUCH THING AS GOD. MEN ARE LIARS, and you've swallowed the canary whole.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-54581992440946667172014-02-06T21:55:29.004-08:002014-02-06T21:55:29.004-08:00No such thing as heaven (salvation) or an afterlif...No such thing as heaven (salvation) or an afterlife. You will die, and your clean honest life will be just a memory for your family. You do not have the authority of the gods to bless anyone...Your money will buy you nothing. Blinders are on you, because you believe a myth. NO SUCH THING as Christ, the Gods, or Judgement Day. Indoctrination is a sad thing, my honest opinion of this blog of self righteousness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-64042544795379457702014-02-06T21:52:50.944-08:002014-02-06T21:52:50.944-08:00It will be interesting to see how this plays a rol...It will be interesting to see how this plays a role in all publicly funded entities, "religious" as well as "secular." If any organization/institution cannot make claims to solicit funds, there goes all funding for research on scientific theories. The argument could be made that science calls it "theory" while religion calls it "truth" but in my experience both require "research," either through a scientific method or a metaphysical action like prayer/faith, etc. To show Monson's or any other religious figure's claim as false would require access to all physical truths as well as another's private consciousness. It sounds like the same age-old witch hunt of theism vs.atheism. This blogs tries to appear like a formal empirical article but ends up looking like an agenda charged piece with a feel of antagonism towards Monson/mormonism. With that being said, it is a well done and very "thought provoking" opinion piece (oh no, not metaphysics!).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-52657469383319612642014-02-06T21:41:02.619-08:002014-02-06T21:41:02.619-08:00There is no such thing as Lamanites or Nephites, t...There is no such thing as Lamanites or Nephites, they are BOM fiction. No such thing as living Lamanites. They are made up to the story, and Native Americans need to be freed of these lies and claims. DNA evidence proves this to be true. It was taught by the LDS church for many years this lie, then they changed their fiction to say something different. Polynesians are from Asian/Indonesian decent per DNA testing. There is NO SUCH THING. this church is a fraud, harms many people, and a court will shed the light for the confused public. Recovery can take many years from the Mormon Fraud perpetuated on the public.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com