tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post6701036849896757685..comments2023-07-20T05:18:17.630-07:00Comments on Mormon Disclosures: Pay Lay Missionary David Thttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09357179418131851128noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-10918534390130412992015-10-22T12:26:09.280-07:002015-10-22T12:26:09.280-07:00But that is not what is expected from the average ...But that is not what is expected from the average member who struggles to pay their bills and yet are induced to believe that they have to pay full tithe from their gross income even before paying for their bare necessities even though that is nowhere to be found in the holy writ!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-38653127172478017032014-03-15T19:53:23.268-07:002014-03-15T19:53:23.268-07:00Monson did not work at Key Bank. He and other gene...Monson did not work at Key Bank. He and other general authorities were on the local board of directors until the bank became a national bank in the 1990's. They received pay for their board of director duties. I know as I worked at Key Bank and attended party at the President of Key Bank's home and the General Authorities who were or had been board members were in attendance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-19201872577863360752014-02-08T23:21:48.905-08:002014-02-08T23:21:48.905-08:00Thank goodness for the voice of reason here. Leav...Thank goodness for the voice of reason here. Leave your job and your income for 3 years to work 24 / 7. Pray for and manage hundreds of young kids, etc. How would they earn the tuition, etc. you all are whining about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-26053663466726262982014-01-05T20:56:20.777-08:002014-01-05T20:56:20.777-08:00I don't think it is envy or greed, or that tho...I don't think it is envy or greed, or that those that are paid are necessarily overpaid...or shouldn't be paid...I can't judge, but it isn't disclosed, and it isn't honest to squiggle around the tax laws. And, churches that run for-profit businesses should be paying taxes. If their corporations generously give money to the church, it can be deducted from income in accordance with all tax laws, like any charitable donation is. These deliberate evasions make one think their offices should be on Wall Street not hiding under some undeserved mantle of holiness out in the desert.<br>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-14003161069376347792013-12-07T19:58:19.113-08:002013-12-07T19:58:19.113-08:00I heard through the grapevine that my childhood fr...I heard through the grapevine that my childhood friend Gary Stevenson, the Presiding Bishop, is keenly aware of the shady tax stance taken by the church and is trying to change it. A smart business man for decades, he realizes the exposure risk is not worth the monetary savings. The big 15 are not taking his advice last I heard.... This is all rumor, mind you, but fits the personalities of the players.Lyndon Lambornnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-2430985816714731202013-12-07T07:35:40.328-08:002013-12-07T07:35:40.328-08:00Just go back and search for "2006 Lds Mission...Just go back and search for "2006 Lds Mission Presidents Handbook"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-5713364944698764322013-12-06T07:51:41.507-08:002013-12-06T07:51:41.507-08:00Jeremy, go ahead and become a Mormon if you like. ...Jeremy, go ahead and become a Mormon if you like. Some of us have listened for decades while a church boasts shamelessly that it has "no paid clergy" while practicing as illustrated in this 2006 Mission Pres. Handbook. The higher leaders in the Mormon church get paid while the unsuspecting lay church member works a full time job and then takes on an additional schedule of "church callings" with literally NO PAY. The hierocracy is horrific. You may not get it. I could care less. If you were one of the field workers watching the bosses say they don't get paid while they line their bank accounts, then you'd get it..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-44069467166110248882013-07-11T12:17:00.651-07:002013-07-11T12:17:00.651-07:00http://archive.org/details/MissionPresidentsHandbo...http://archive.org/details/MissionPresidentsHandbook2006Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-61871811111356078892013-05-23T09:44:01.863-07:002013-05-23T09:44:01.863-07:00Does anyone have a link that works to the MP handb...Does anyone have a link that works to the MP handbook? I would like a copy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-91919411703789495312013-04-18T09:39:00.075-07:002013-04-18T09:39:00.075-07:00So who best describes you? Sherem, Nehor or Korih...So who best describes you? Sherem, Nehor or Korihor?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-46050223582959438072013-04-05T19:40:22.473-07:002013-04-05T19:40:22.473-07:00If someone is willing to walk away from their home...If someone is willing to walk away from their home life for several years to help coordinate services on behalf of a church it would seem reasonable that they get the things reimbursed that they would normally have to earn income to cover. If they would normally be able to earn income for their children to serve missions or go to school because those are important tenants of ones religious practice then that too seems reasonable. As I understand it people don't 'apply' to be a mission president, so if I was to be offered an opportunity to live away from home in voluntary service but this involved being uprooted from my home, community and source of income it seems okay to me, and not excessive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-86405521386084283782013-03-17T15:19:10.381-07:002013-03-17T15:19:10.381-07:00I am a little late to the party here but would lik...I am a little late to the party here but would like a copy of that to add to my collection. <br><br>Could someone who has it email it to me. I use the google mail service and my user name is praxeum33.<br><br>Thank you in advanceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-52862830072155329852013-01-27T20:40:41.192-08:002013-01-27T20:40:41.192-08:00While serving as Bishop and doing everything in my...While serving as Bishop and doing everything in my power to stay positive because I loved the people of our stake so much, I used to shake my head at what my friends in the church finance department were telling me as they struggled with their consciences. I was torn because I didn't want to hear it but they wanted someone to understand their guilty feelings and tell them they weren't crazy. Two of the ones I respect most ended up resigning to re-join companies because they couldn't take the guilt.baldwanahttp://baldwana.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-42849725249211708042012-12-19T19:15:13.950-08:002012-12-19T19:15:13.950-08:00While on my mission in the 90's the new incomi...While on my mission in the 90's the new incoming MP handed me a folder of cleared checks that the previous MP wrote...let's just say I wanted to puke after seeing all the THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of dollars wasted on "necessary" stuff like trips from South America to Disney World!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-70329094737832888972012-12-12T04:46:29.831-08:002012-12-12T04:46:29.831-08:00Don't be deluded. Do a little searching (or r...Don't be deluded. Do a little searching (or reading) and find that many many of the 12 who've been in church leadership most of their adult life have very lucrative positions and possessions. For example, Monson, a church employee of 40+ years, owns two vacation homes and apparently a ritzy condo in SLC (soon at City Creek). He mentioned one of the vacation homes at GC in Oct.Mormon Thinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357179418131851128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-60952926196043385592012-12-11T23:48:25.324-08:002012-12-11T23:48:25.324-08:00Edge of poverty???? are you kidding me? When you o...Edge of poverty???? are you kidding me? When you overstate your case you have little credabilty<br>None of the GA are anywhere near median income. They all have made lots of money in the private/corporate world that is the church in Utah.<br>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-12629304161812384812012-12-11T19:01:58.543-08:002012-12-11T19:01:58.543-08:00I don't think your going to be successful pain...I don't think your going to be successful painting church leaders as high rollers seeking to hide big dollar incomes from the church members. <br><br>I don't see any reason for church leaders to be kept on the edge of poverty to appease those who want to find any means possible to criticize them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-67670747483642589702012-12-11T13:55:54.874-08:002012-12-11T13:55:54.874-08:00M3lvn,Perhaps I am cynical but I don't think t...M3lvn,<br>Perhaps I am cynical but I don't think the IRS is ready to pick a fight with the Mormon church about taxes. They might have looked at it but...<br>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-56122206057346909102012-12-11T11:27:32.828-08:002012-12-11T11:27:32.828-08:00I would like a a copy of that file as well please!...I would like a a copy of that file as well please!Anonmamanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-52027181304601289792012-12-11T08:01:33.989-08:002012-12-11T08:01:33.989-08:00See http://www.reddit.com/r/mormon/comments/14jt1t...See http://www.reddit.com/r/mormon/comments/14jt1t/how_mormon_mission_presidents_get_paid for why this post is misleading. There's no tax issue here. The centralized accounts are to make it easier to monitor and audit, not to hide it from the government. The IRS has the power to look at those records in an audit, and I'm sure they have. The handbook also states that mission presidents are to keep careful records of their expenses for tax purposes. It also states that the church has cases and research to support the non-payment of taxes on those reimbursement accounts.<br><br>What we have here is a whole bunch of amateur tax lawyering going on, and pretty badly. Even someone with a basic understanding of tax law knows that just because income isn't reported doesn't mean the government can't look at the records.m3lvnhttp://www.reddit.com/u/m3lvnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-72341106442816650762012-12-10T15:48:31.787-08:002012-12-10T15:48:31.787-08:00I think Twede wrote about that in the other pay la...I think Twede wrote about that in the other pay lay blog.goxgeyshttp://visit.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-12497585811186953572012-12-10T14:32:42.758-08:002012-12-10T14:32:42.758-08:00What about the money they receive from sitting on ...What about the money they receive from sitting on the boards of church corporations? I know GAs are well compensated for doing nothing but how many mission presidents sit on boards?<br>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-77798341408335114642012-12-10T13:45:41.386-08:002012-12-10T13:45:41.386-08:00How are things removed from the internet archive?How are things removed from the internet archive?<br>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-77753072558834427612012-12-09T22:41:01.204-08:002012-12-09T22:41:01.204-08:00Is it true that the church does not pay any taxes ...Is it true that the church does not pay any taxes on the sales and leasings of their condos at city creek? Wondering if all the GA's and 70's get their own mortgage/tax free condo as a clergy privilege.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08515841709761773907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8223497504999189608.post-50595947924775392352012-12-09T19:40:18.127-08:002012-12-09T19:40:18.127-08:00Never mind. I got a copy. XDNever mind. I got a copy. XDDave P.noreply@blogger.com